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tallseas wrote:
So often I see 2 common mistakes during final table end play. The most common is when 3 people are in the pot and one is all in. So often I see a raise post flop by a player on a draw or bluff forcing the third party out of the pot and then they loose the hand to the short stack gaining nothing and tripleing up the short man. It is much to your advantage to check it down unless your hand improves, even if you lose, if the other player takes the pot and eliminates the short stack.
The other is the big stacks failing to call in the blind when the short stack goes all in when the call is less than 3 blinds. How can you fold that even if you have rags. Your priced in. If you have two live cards you are about 30% to win.
The object here is to eliminate opponents not build your stack (you have already built your stack). Each opponent gone takes you up in the prize money and closer to the finish line.
So often I see 2 common mistakes during final table end play. The most common is when 3 people are in the pot and one is all in. So often I see a raise post flop by a player on a draw or bluff forcing the third party out of the pot and then they loose the hand to the short stack gaining nothing and tripleing up the short man. It is much to your advantage to check it down unless your hand improves, even if you lose, if the other player takes the pot and eliminates the short stack.
The other is the big stacks failing to call in the blind when the short stack goes all in when the call is less than 3 blinds. How can you fold that even if you have rags. Your priced in. If you have two live cards you are about 30% to win.
The object here is to eliminate opponents not build your stack (you have already built your stack). Each opponent gone takes you up in the prize money and closer to the finish line.
How very true why fuel his fire, he might just come back to burn you up. This is a good point i have noticed while playing play chip step games at ft. Do you want to make the next step?. Or sit idle and wonder why they did. Nice post tallseas. Thanks Freerollbird
The other is the big stacks failing to call in the blind when the short stack goes all in when the call is less than 3 blinds. How can you fold that even if you have rags. Your priced in. If you have two live cards you are about 30% to win.
The object here is to eliminate opponents not build your stack (you have already built your stack). Each opponent gone takes you up in the prize money and closer to the finish line.
How very true why fuel his fire, he might just come back to burn you up. This is a good point i have noticed while playing play chip step games at ft. Do you want to make the next step?. Or sit idle and wonder why they did. Nice post tallseas. Thanks Freerollbird
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tallseas wrote:
So often I see 2 common mistakes during final table end play. The most common is when 3 people are in the pot and one is all in. So often I see a raise post flop by a player on a draw or bluff forcing the third party out of the pot and then they loose the hand to the short stack gaining nothing and tripleing up the short man. It is much to your advantage to check it down unless your hand improves, even if you lose, if the other player takes the pot and eliminates the short stack.
The other is the big stacks failing to call in the blind when the short stack goes all in when the call is less than 3 blinds. How can you fold that even if you have rags. Your priced in. If you have two live cards you are about 30% to win.
The object here is to eliminate opponents not build your stack (you have already built your stack). Each opponent gone takes you up in the prize money and closer to the finish line.
So often I see 2 common mistakes during final table end play. The most common is when 3 people are in the pot and one is all in. So often I see a raise post flop by a player on a draw or bluff forcing the third party out of the pot and then they loose the hand to the short stack gaining nothing and tripleing up the short man. It is much to your advantage to check it down unless your hand improves, even if you lose, if the other player takes the pot and eliminates the short stack.
The other is the big stacks failing to call in the blind when the short stack goes all in when the call is less than 3 blinds. How can you fold that even if you have rags. Your priced in. If you have two live cards you are about 30% to win.
The object here is to eliminate opponents not build your stack (you have already built your stack). Each opponent gone takes you up in the prize money and closer to the finish line.
[FONT=Franklin Gothic Medium]I'm general agreement here, although I will say that there is nothing wrong with building a sidepot with the remaining live player(s) if the situation warrants it -- basically meaning that you have a hand that is very likely to defeat both the all-in player and your opponents. Why leave chips in your live opponents hands if you can get him to give them up?
But if you are unsure of your strength against theirs, check down indeed. . .[/FONT]
The other is the big stacks failing to call in the blind when the short stack goes all in when the call is less than 3 blinds. How can you fold that even if you have rags. Your priced in. If you have two live cards you are about 30% to win.
The object here is to eliminate opponents not build your stack (you have already built your stack). Each opponent gone takes you up in the prize money and closer to the finish line.
[FONT=Franklin Gothic Medium]I'm general agreement here, although I will say that there is nothing wrong with building a sidepot with the remaining live player(s) if the situation warrants it -- basically meaning that you have a hand that is very likely to defeat both the all-in player and your opponents. Why leave chips in your live opponents hands if you can get him to give them up?
But if you are unsure of your strength against theirs, check down indeed. . .[/FONT]
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tallseas wrote:
So often I see 2 common mistakes during final table end play. The most common is when 3 people are in the pot and one is all in. So often I see a raise post flop by a player on a draw or bluff forcing the third party out of the pot and then they loose the hand to the short stack gaining nothing and tripleing up the short man. It is much to your advantage to check it down unless your hand improves, even if you lose, if the other player takes the pot and eliminates the short stack.
The other is the big stacks failing to call in the blind when the short stack goes all in when the call is less than 3 blinds. How can you fold that even if you have rags. Your priced in. If you have two live cards you are about 30% to win.
The object here is to eliminate opponents not build your stack (you have already built your stack). Each opponent gone takes you up in the prize money and closer to the finish line.
So often I see 2 common mistakes during final table end play. The most common is when 3 people are in the pot and one is all in. So often I see a raise post flop by a player on a draw or bluff forcing the third party out of the pot and then they loose the hand to the short stack gaining nothing and tripleing up the short man. It is much to your advantage to check it down unless your hand improves, even if you lose, if the other player takes the pot and eliminates the short stack.
The other is the big stacks failing to call in the blind when the short stack goes all in when the call is less than 3 blinds. How can you fold that even if you have rags. Your priced in. If you have two live cards you are about 30% to win.
The object here is to eliminate opponents not build your stack (you have already built your stack). Each opponent gone takes you up in the prize money and closer to the finish line.
True That .................
There are always exceptions to any rule, but as a solid base line I feel you hit it perfectly.
This takes some players a long time to incorporate it in their games and others seem do it with out thought. My exceptions are of course when you feel the other player isn't going to check it down or you have the monster.
Learn as we Go.
:dance:
The other is the big stacks failing to call in the blind when the short stack goes all in when the call is less than 3 blinds. How can you fold that even if you have rags. Your priced in. If you have two live cards you are about 30% to win.
The object here is to eliminate opponents not build your stack (you have already built your stack). Each opponent gone takes you up in the prize money and closer to the finish line.
True That .................
There are always exceptions to any rule, but as a solid base line I feel you hit it perfectly.
This takes some players a long time to incorporate it in their games and others seem do it with out thought. My exceptions are of course when you feel the other player isn't going to check it down or you have the monster.
Learn as we Go.
:dance:
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Roller wrote:
So often I see 2 common mistakes during final table end play. The most common is when 3 people are in the pot and one is all in. So often I see a raise post flop by a player on a draw or bluff forcing the third party out of the pot and then they loose the hand to the short stack gaining nothing and tripleing up the short man. It is much to your advantage to check it down unless your hand improves, even if you lose, if the other player takes the pot and eliminates the short stack.
The other is the big stacks failing to call in the blind when the short stack goes all in when the call is less than 3 blinds. How can you fold that even if you have rags. Your priced in. If you have two live cards you are about 30% to win.
The object here is to eliminate opponents not build your stack (you have already built your stack). Each opponent gone takes you up in the prize money and closer to the finish line.
True That .................
There are always exceptions to any rule, but as a solid base line I feel you hit it perfectly.
This takes some players a long time to incorporate it in their games and others seem do it with out thought. My exceptions are of course when you feel the other player isn't going to check it down or you have the monster.
Learn as we Go.
:dance:
I think this is true as well. I have been winning some of the live home tourneys around here by not chasing the side pot with a mediocre hand. If I have the big stack, what good does it do to chase light? Sometimes I don't mind keeping the shorter stack alive (knowing he isn't putting his tourney on the line weak) in order to keep running over the table. It is harder to do if i keep doubling people by chasing a small sidepot with a weakish hand.
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The other is the big stacks failing to call in the blind when the short stack goes all in when the call is less than 3 blinds. How can you fold that even if you have rags. Your priced in. If you have two live cards you are about 30% to win.
The object here is to eliminate opponents not build your stack (you have already built your stack). Each opponent gone takes you up in the prize money and closer to the finish line.