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Beating up on the Weak Player



If someone describes your playing style as weak, let's just say you're in lots of trouble. In fact, its the weak players that are the ones you should focus on when you are at the poker table. Rather than duke it out with the strong, fierce, aggressive players you'll risk less, and win more in the long run against the weak, timid, passive players.

In order to pound on the weak players properly, the first thing you'll need to do is identify them. There are generally a few clues that you can look for that while not always totally accurate, could be clues nonetheless:

1) How they dress. If someone dresses extremely conservatively they will generally play poker that way! If they dress loudly they'll more than likely play more aggressive or flamboyantly.

2) How they talk. This is in line with the previous clue. If they are quiet or timid in the way they talk, chances are that's how they'll play poker.

Again, conversely, if you a dealing with an aggressive talker they are more than likely aggressive players.

3) Do they raise before the flop or just call? If they like to limp in on a regular basis, you might be dealing with a weak player.

4) Do they like to bet, or check and call? Aggressive players are bettors while weak players tend to check, or just call others bets.

So once you've identified the weak player, it's time to strategize against them. Playing against weak players is without a doubt, the easiest type of opponent to face. In fact, your cards often don't even matter since they play so predictably!

The key principal to think about is to basically pound them like an anvil repeatedly until they stick up for themselves. Almost like what a bully at school would be like who wants your lunch money. If they keep giving it up, you keep taking it.

When you have position on a weak player it makes it that much easier so you really want to look for opportunities to get a weak player "heads up."

How do you do that? Well when a weak player limps into a pot you try to isolate him with a decent sized raise to knock everyone out but you and the weak player. If the player is extremely weak, it doesn't even matter is you have a 2-7 in your hand! You really aren't playing your hand anyway,

you are playing the player.

So if you are able to get the weak player heads up with position, you'll know let his actions dicate what you should do. If the weak player bets the

flop you can pretty sure he has a good hand. So, if you don't flop a very good hand now would be a very good time to fold.

If the weak player checks the flop, then you should bet regardless of what you have. The only time you may want to check is if you flopped the nuts and want to give him a free card. Otherwise, you should always bet the flop and look to win the pot right there.

Again, if your weak opponent check-raises you, run and hide! Unless of course you flopped a strong hand yourself.

The tricky decision comes when the weak player decides to just call which he will often do. At that point, you have to make a game time decision as to whether your opponent flopped a drawing hand or a made hand.

Since your opponent is weak they won't give you much information about their hand by the way they play it. Generally, a weak player will check and call with both a made hand like top pair, or a flush draw.

So, as a general rule you should proceed cautiously if a weak player calls you on the flop. If you have a good hand by all means bet, but if you are bluffing I would lean towards checking on the turn card since the weak player has shown some interest.

There is an old adage in poker that I think sums up that last point, "If you bluff a bad player you then become one." Stay aggressive against the weak players but don't get caught running without the ball when they show interest in the flop.
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scooterdice wrote:

Beating up on the Weak Player



If someone describes your playing style as weak, let's just say you're in lots of trouble. In fact, its the weak players that are the ones you should focus on when you are at the poker table. Rather than duke it out with the strong, fierce, aggressive players you'll risk less, and win more in the long run against the weak, timid, passive players.

In order to pound on the weak players properly, the first thing you'll need to do is identify them. There are generally a few clues that you can look for that while not always totally accurate, could be clues nonetheless:

1) How they dress. If someone dresses extremely conservatively they will generally play poker that way! If they dress loudly they'll more than likely play more aggressive or flamboyantly.

2) How they talk. This is in line with the previous clue. If they are quiet or timid in the way they talk, chances are that's how they'll play poker.

Again, conversely, if you a dealing with an aggressive talker they are more than likely aggressive players.

3) Do they raise before the flop or just call? If they like to limp in on a regular basis, you might be dealing with a weak player.

4) Do they like to bet, or check and call? Aggressive players are bettors while weak players tend to check, or just call others bets.

So once you've identified the weak player, it's time to strategize against them. Playing against weak players is without a doubt, the easiest type of opponent to face. In fact, your cards often don't even matter since they play so predictably!

The key principal to think about is to basically pound them like an anvil repeatedly until they stick up for themselves. Almost like what a bully at school would be like who wants your lunch money. If they keep giving it up, you keep taking it.

When you have position on a weak player it makes it that much easier so you really want to look for opportunities to get a weak player "heads up."

How do you do that? Well when a weak player limps into a pot you try to isolate him with a decent sized raise to knock everyone out but you and the weak player. If the player is extremely weak, it doesn't even matter is you have a 2-7 in your hand! You really aren't playing your hand anyway,

you are playing the player.

So if you are able to get the weak player heads up with position, you'll know let his actions dicate what you should do. If the weak player bets the

flop you can pretty sure he has a good hand. So, if you don't flop a very good hand now would be a very good time to fold.

If the weak player checks the flop, then you should bet regardless of what you have. The only time you may want to check is if you flopped the nuts and want to give him a free card. Otherwise, you should always bet the flop and look to win the pot right there.

Again, if your weak opponent check-raises you, run and hide! Unless of course you flopped a strong hand yourself.

The tricky decision comes when the weak player decides to just call which he will often do. At that point, you have to make a game time decision as to whether your opponent flopped a drawing hand or a made hand.

Since your opponent is weak they won't give you much information about their hand by the way they play it. Generally, a weak player will check and call with both a made hand like top pair, or a flush draw.

So, as a general rule you should proceed cautiously if a weak player calls you on the flop. If you have a good hand by all means bet, but if you are bluffing I would lean towards checking on the turn card since the weak player has shown some interest.

There is an old adage in poker that I think sums up that last point, "If you bluff a bad player you then become one." Stay aggressive against the weak players but don't get caught running without the ball when they show interest in the flop.

The 'weak' guy also has 2 hole cards. I love it when the weak guy strikes back, in a big way. The bully just keeps betting, 'cause that's what he's supposed to do, it's his job, right? And as it turns out, the weak guy has him crushed.
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scooterdice wrote:

Beating up on the Weak Player



If someone describes your playing style as weak, let's just say you're in lots of trouble. In fact, its the weak players that are the ones you should focus on when you are at the poker table. Rather than duke it out with the strong, fierce, aggressive players you'll risk less, and win more in the long run against the weak, timid, passive players.

In order to pound on the weak players properly, the first thing you'll need to do is identify them. There are generally a few clues that you can look for that while not always totally accurate, could be clues nonetheless:

1) How they dress. If someone dresses extremely conservatively they will generally play poker that way! If they dress loudly they'll more than likely play more aggressive or flamboyantly.

2) How they talk. This is in line with the previous clue. If they are quiet or timid in the way they talk, chances are that's how they'll play poker.

Again, conversely, if you a dealing with an aggressive talker they are more than likely aggressive players.

3) Do they raise before the flop or just call? If they like to limp in on a regular basis, you might be dealing with a weak player.

4) Do they like to bet, or check and call? Aggressive players are bettors while weak players tend to check, or just call others bets.

So once you've identified the weak player, it's time to strategize against them. Playing against weak players is without a doubt, the easiest type of opponent to face. In fact, your cards often don't even matter since they play so predictably!

The key principal to think about is to basically pound them like an anvil repeatedly until they stick up for themselves. Almost like what a bully at school would be like who wants your lunch money. If they keep giving it up, you keep taking it.

When you have position on a weak player it makes it that much easier so you really want to look for opportunities to get a weak player "heads up."

How do you do that? Well when a weak player limps into a pot you try to isolate him with a decent sized raise to knock everyone out but you and the weak player. If the player is extremely weak, it doesn't even matter is you have a 2-7 in your hand! You really aren't playing your hand anyway,

you are playing the player.

So if you are able to get the weak player heads up with position, you'll know let his actions dicate what you should do. If the weak player bets the

flop you can pretty sure he has a good hand. So, if you don't flop a very good hand now would be a very good time to fold.

If the weak player checks the flop, then you should bet regardless of what you have. The only time you may want to check is if you flopped the nuts and want to give him a free card. Otherwise, you should always bet the flop and look to win the pot right there.

Again, if your weak opponent check-raises you, run and hide! Unless of course you flopped a strong hand yourself.

The tricky decision comes when the weak player decides to just call which he will often do. At that point, you have to make a game time decision as to whether your opponent flopped a drawing hand or a made hand.

Since your opponent is weak they won't give you much information about their hand by the way they play it. Generally, a weak player will check and call with both a made hand like top pair, or a flush draw.

So, as a general rule you should proceed cautiously if a weak player calls you on the flop. If you have a good hand by all means bet, but if you are bluffing I would lean towards checking on the turn card since the weak player has shown some interest.

There is an old adage in poker that I think sums up that last point, "If you bluff a bad player you then become one." Stay aggressive against the weak players but don't get caught running without the ball when they show interest in the flop.

Once again, the 2 minute rule gets me:

But hey, I guess he's the weak guy, so every time he shows interest in the flop, the bully loses interest, right? I say don't believe everything your eyes tell you, or you may just wind up outfoxing yourself.
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grilldoggy wrote:

Once again, the 2 minute rule gets me:

But hey, I guess he's the weak guy, so every time he shows interest in the flop, the bully loses interest, right? I say don't believe everything your eyes tell you, or you may just wind up outfoxing yourself.

I once read "when you sit down at the table you should be able to recognize all the fish within the first couple of hands. If you can't.....YOUR THE FISH"
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tallseas wrote:

I once read "when you sit down at the table you should be able to recognize all the fish within the first couple of hands. If you can't.....YOUR THE FISH"

I'll often deliberately play the "weak player" role early on, especially with good card luck specifically to take down the ones that hunt out the weaker players...i'd rather take the good players out first and save the weaker ones for later when the blinds go up and i can steal them without contest if I have the option, especially in double up sit and go's and survivor games
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sn1p3r31337 wrote:

I'll often deliberately play the "weak player" role early on, especially with good card luck specifically to take down the ones that hunt out the weaker players...i'd rather take the good players out first and save the weaker ones for later when the blinds go up and i can steal them without contest if I have the option, especially in double up sit and go's and survivor games

The way he dress on the internet sounds difficult!

LOL.

Great tipes, btw.
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volnandes wrote:

The way he dress on the internet sounds difficult!

LOL.

Great tipes, btw.

Easy to change the way you dress and play for that matter.

All good points, the pros can smell the fish
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TurboDave wrote:

Easy to change the way you dress and play for that matter.

All good points, the pros can smell the fish

But then again there is the old adage, "Never judge a book by its cover". Like SN1p said you might just be playing a wolf in sheeps clothing. Freerollbird
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freerollbird wrote:

But then again there is the old adage, "Never judge a book by its cover". Like SN1p said you might just be playing a wolf in sheeps clothing. Freerollbird

There are many good points in Daniel's article and in the replies. Poker is very unpredictable though, so many times you play your cards against a weak player (or a strong one) exactly as you should, and still end up on the losing end of it...It's never easy, but over time the advice is valid. Good post! :thumbsup
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decker wrote:

There are many good points in Daniel's article and in the replies. Poker is very unpredictable though, so many times you play your cards against a weak player (or a strong one) exactly as you should, and still end up on the losing end of it...It's never easy, but over time the advice is valid. Good post! :thumbsup

Weak player or strong, tight or loose, bluffing, variance and situational all accurately describe "poker". If it was easy to understand would it still be a great game. I don't think so!
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